Squinting ahead into the 21st Century, most people are looking to China or the Far East generally or Europe (ha!) or Russia (ha! ha!) to be the next big player. My money’s on India. They’re big, they’re clever, they’re charming and they make excellent 1950s Hollywood musicals. It’s a country not without problems, but I’m betting she has the stuff to pull herself together and kick world ass.
So it’s worth noting that, genetically, they’re the same people as the Pakistanis. And Pakistan is a shithole.
The difference is, Pakistan is Islamic. And India — well, it’s not truly in the Anglosphere, but it was blessed with a period of British colonial rule and absorbed the lesson. Ipso facto it is not race that maketh a shithole. It is ideas.
Sure, being a colony is a drag, but the combination of Capitalism + English common law has been an unbeatable formula for prosperity, growth and invention wherever it has been applied, from Hong Kong to Rhodesia. Even when applied at the ass-end of a gun. The purer the tincture, the surer the cure.
Don’t give me that shit about Islam and algebra or medicine or whatever. That was hundreds and hundreds of years ago and it takes credit for stuff filched from the better cultures it absorbed. The few real Muslim innovators skated close to the edge with their own religious leadership. Purist Islam is conformist, repressive, hierarchical, intolerant, dogmatic. Innovation needs flexibility, tolerance for eccentricity and the willingness to absorb insult without riots or sawing off heads.
In the end, I have no worries who will win the argument. Everybody wants to live in a world with antibiotics and television. Even Osama luv him sat-phone. A caliphate could limp along at a frozen level of technology for a while (the Soviet Union made it almost a century, after all). But the nerds will win the long game, because they have allllll the mana points. This is why the “demographics is destiny” argument falls flat for me — I believe a thousand strong, stupid young men will lose a prolonged fight to ten geeks.
The question is the body count.
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This is one of them there trick questions ain’t it?
Just angling for my spot on the “Behead Me First” list.
I once did a bit of Africa travelling with a friend who was stationed there as a Peace Corps worker. Even though ALL of the countries he had been in would qualify as shitholes, his theory was that the formerly British colonies were the least shitholey of the bunch. Some vestige of how a country could be run without becoming 100% corrupted and chaotic seemed to have been passed down.
Geeks are good at hiding and
picking the battles they know
they can win.
They may in lots of cases be
young, but they ain’t young,and dumb.
Howzat for an angle?
If you get a fatwa calling for your beheading, let me know. Then I’ll know what to do to get the same.
You and skinbad bring up an interesting point. Pakistanis, and even some Indians, are fond of waxing eloquent on how the British messed up South Asia. But it reminds me a bit of the sketch in The Life of Brian where someone asks (rhetorically), “What have the Romans done for us?” (“Us” being the Israelites.) After some discussion, the question becomes: “All right, but apart from the sanitation, the medicine, education, wine, public order, irrigation, roads, a fresh water system, and public health, what have the Romans ever done for us?”
Although the Brits may have messed some stuff up (but, honestly, what imperial power hasn’t?), some people don’t give them credit where it’s due.
I think one reason Pakistan is in such a horrid condition whereas India is rising is because India was established as a secular state and on the remains of a polity that at some point or another existed as a historical fact for centuries, if not millennia, whereas Pakistan was established on the basis of religion and as an artificial construct with nothing historical, ethnic, cultural, et cetera, to serve as a foundation.
Compare Malaysia and Burmah.
Both ex-british colonies, one Islamic, one not. Which one is the more successful?
In Malaysia, its the Chinese population that is responsible for any economic success while not allowed to own any property. The Muslim population largely does nothing much at all besides collecting rent on the shops and factories that are run be the Chinese. There is tension between the two camps but the Muslims know where their bread comes from.
The Chinese will bring down any country the moment they enter. Wherever they go, fascism follows. Just look at world history.
@cocks sucker faggot who called himself “Fraggle”
Do not pull in my country into your fag arguments.
Go and f..k your own mother or enjoy ass f..ks by
your brothers. F..king retard d..k head!
I dislike retarded persons. chinese men have small dicks
its becoz of the rice :))
I’m a former muslim – was born into a hardcore muslim family, even lived in the promised land (Saudi Arabia) for over a decade. Islam is destined to fail. You are so on the money with Pakistan vs India. Every single state based on Islam has turned into 100% weapon’s grade horseshit. There are so many muslim fuckheads today who wax lyrical about the glory days of the caliphates and how they will reclaim that by overthrowing democracy and instituting theocracies again. Ha! The caliphates failed for a reason – they were non-sustainable as functional forms of governments. They didnt’ fail once – they crashed and burned repeatedly over several centuries until the coupe de grace of WWI ended the ottoman empire. I’ve seen just how retarded Islam is from the inside, both as a muslim and as someone living in the most islamic society on earth, and let me tell you all, you have nothing to fear from islam. It can’t do shit. They can’t unite to fight the rest of the world. They can’t make weapons. The only planes they can fly are hijacked airliners – good luck in a dogfight! Seriously, this is a culture that is doomed to fail because its followers are terrified to actually learn and broaden their minds. Islam knows that any who do get a real education end up leaving. So don’t fret. If there ever is a War, you’ll be fighting only the detritus. The smart muslims are no longer muslims.
Fraggle compares Malaysia and Burma developments and claims
Malaysia is successful because it is islamic. The truth is that
35 percent of the poulation is Chinese and 10% Indian. These minorities stand for 110% of the success of Malaysia. Without them Malaysia would be poor as Somalia.
IAWTP
WTF only your stupid shitty christianity is retarded,
and im not from pakistan,
im from saudi arabia
Saudi Arabia is full of retards (muslims), you have just proven it to the world, moron!!!
BTW, mohammad molested & raped Aisha, a nine-year-old girl…
Hey SHUT yewr pie hole.
If only yew knew what Islam really is about.
Its all in the Holy Qur’an.
Listen to Maher Zain kid and maybe, MAYBE it might open yewr eyes and heart!
“Its all in the Holy Qur’an” – Ayesha
You’re part of the problem bitch.
We wont shut up ,never.Understand ?
This is how the human created planes ,boats , computer :
by critic , speech , freedom.
You are a muslim ? Then you are a slave monkey given human form.
Period.
Your civilization is based on the deeds and speeches of a man (who never existed in fact ) who was a pedophile , a rapist ,a torturer , a liar , etc.IN 1400 years ,this so-called civilization bring nothing to the world that wasn’t due to the Christians ,Persians ,Syrians and all others people conquered by islam.
Once they lost their intellectual legacy , and became fully muslims , their countries started to decline ,because they couldnt produce anything.Because muslims are dry ,stupid and angry people,unable to create or invent.
There is nothing to respect about muslims.
We will no surrender.We will not give up ,we will not submit.We ll stay free until our deaths ,and we will dance on the tombs of the muslims ,long after that shitty religion disappeared under its sins and hates.
You gave us no choice but to submit or be killed.
You forgot we have another choice : destroying islam.
We opted for this choice ,and it is underway : every ipod ,computer , tv , washing machine , spark of free speech or civils rights we pour into muslim countries grows a tree of freemen , unwilling to submit.Mesters of their own life and destinies.Real men.
And ,these brave men and women in muslims countries will prevail.
They do not need bombs or guns ,their lifes alone prove islam is crap ,and each of theirt successes in arts , sciences , trade ,inventions , is a defeat of islam.
Period.Deal with it or die angry.
ANd all your insults CAN NOT change reality.
We have already won XD
Again, I say just look at the world without pc blinders on and see what is happening. You say “people kill people” well they do it in the name of their misguided religion.
Verse 9:123 – “Believers, make war on the infidels who dwell around you.” It should be clear that this verse commands Muslims to wage war on all non-Muslims around them. According to this ideology, Allah commands the Muslims to conquer the whole world in order to apply Koranic laws. Hence, they have to wage a perpetual war against the infidels who refuse to submit. Its principle is based on the inequality between the community of Allah and the infidels. The first is a superior group, whose mission it is to rule the world. The second must submit.”
I think this is accurate proof enough supporting what I’ve always personally said and felt…that yes it does mention not once but various times throughout the Koran that you must kill the infidel at all costs just because you dont follow in the muslim faith or belive in allah. And islam is the peaceful religion??
Read this article about their prophet.
http://answering-islam.org/Aut…
malaysia is a good example of a corrupted and retarded country. the government are siding towards those malays when they dont realise that they are pathetic and dont contribute to the society. all their police does is to collect bribes from foreigners? their mentality is of a dog, trying to look down of people while they cant?
I am an Indian Christian living in Malaysia and its true, it sucks being here. The Muslims here are 1st class citizens whereas non-muslims are given a lot less citizen benefits. Scholarships, government jobs are reserved for Muslims ie. Malays. Malaysia is where it is today because of us ill-treated non-Muslims. The Muslims are only good for burning taxpayers money, raping their daughters, accusing good people of sodomy,swindling money via arms deals, killing of mistresses and blowing up their bodies after they are done fucking them(PM Najib). Well, not all are but most of them are arrogant, self centred pricks but most are. If you see the headlines, Malaysia is slowly becoming another fully fledged pariah Islamic state. (Syariah whipping of females) This is largely due to the lame UMNO party currently ruling the country trying their new holier than thou image. Which is why I am now looking for a better life in Singapore.
Spot-on. Leave Malaysia. It’s going down.
Couldn’t agree with you and ‘adam’ more Adam thats awesome
Its so true Islam and Muslims are too extreme for me I’m from a south asian decent (born and rasied in Canada though) and even I have high tolerance but realize they are all fucked in the head
None of them question there faith and if you do so they want to murder you …( kinda the same with Christians though)
4 years on and the shoes on the other foot india is a big steaming spunk filled shithole and Chinas on top! suck it bitches!!!!!!!!!
You must be a real avid supporter of fascist ideals and genocides initiated and supported by your own government. Awesome.
I’ve been to Pakistan (I’m a Paki Brit) and they all go on about how they are going to overthrow the West and take over London. They are backward people with their minds full of self righteous ignorance.. When I returned to London I no longer considered myself a Muslim. I’m British and Islam can kiss my arse. Thank fuck Britain gave my family a home in a country where I can think for myself.
Word.
FUCK ISLAM. ISLAM = EVIL RETARDS. ALL MOSLEMS CONVERT TO NON-RELIGIOUS NOW!!
Those who compare India and Pakistan are hatemongers. Knowing the sensitivity of several matters in South Asia, people must refrain from making such posts.
No matter what the present condition be, the fact is that both present countries are part of the same ancient land, that was thousand years back the only source of advanced science to the world and uptil the 19th century the undisputed largest world economy.
People of the two nations may argue between each other over little issues, but what baffles me the most is that Westeners and others who mean no business in such matters indulge themselves and draw conclusions in a manner most damaging to this region.
It was the Britain of 63 years back which had desired Partition of India along religious lines as per its Divide and Rule concept. The very seeds of instability in South Asia were actually sown by the Westeners. Now, 63 years down I see no change in attitude of these people who continue to destabilise the region through political activities as the govts do or peace-wrecking blogs.
In the best interests of South Asia and the world, you’d better cease to take interest in this region. India and Pakistan have issues that can be resolved by only mutual interactions and resolutions. The best thing that Westeners can do is to not interfere and keep totally away. Their interference only promotes hatred and confusion in this region. Have some respect for the cradle of human civilisation(read South Asia).
By showing respect and appreciation towards India, you may gratify many but unless you ensure it doesn’t come at the expense of other nations, particularly Pakistan, your views shall be the least accepted by the wise.
U must be a fucking Muslim
The most hilarous thing is that Indians are actually thankful that the British partioned the country. I have visited India and almost EVERY Indian has told me the same thing: “If the British did something good, it was the partioning of India”. All the crazy Islamic idiots were banished from India and had to go to Pakistan. The Muslims that stayed in India, are well discliplined and kept in check by the Hindus/Buddhists/Jains/Sikhs.
Even shithole Bangladesh was smart enough to leave Islamic-crazy pakistan. Atleast now Bangladesh has democracy and is developing an industry.
India’s economy grows at 8%, which is like a new California being added to India every year. The Indians are very success driven, the children are so focused on education, success, and prosperity from age 2 and up! It is scary!
Unlike the Chinese however the Indians are true to democratic ideals and Capitalism, they have a genuine love for it. The Chinese also lack innovation of any sort. They invent/innovate almost nothing. Foreign companies have to give blueprints to the chinese, so the chinese (unlike the Japanese) cannot get passed the maunfacturing. India on the other hand is researching and developing at a unprecdented pace: The $1000 Nano car, the $250 super laptop, new Space rocket fleet, and cell phone tech.
I am hedging my bet to India
You are right. Indians do have a history of creation and innovation. China has a history of uninterrupted theft of others’ ideas and inventions.
Both Pakistan and India were British colonies. They were actually both the colony of India, but Pakistan broke away shortly after India became independent.
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http://quran.com/109/6
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I’m not sure if India, or any country for that matter, was “blessed” to be colonized by the crooked-tooth albino monkey British, but I must agree that Pakistan is a cesspool. I hope the US, Israel and India form an alliance soon enough and start wiping out Pakistan, its government, its religion and its people—innocent or guilty. If they don’t want to fight for their own freedom and value, then they don’t deserve neither.
Fact is :
Your 10 geeks will struggle to find girls, and will have few and maybe no children.
The 1000 muzzs will marry easily and be the father of 1-5 children by the age of 30.
In your own country…
We may win battles but we’ll lose the war.
You have a fighter bomber but they have the oil. Also they are the guys f######g your sister and converting her….
Truth is simple and horrible, but the only way to victory, or rather survival.
Kill every single one of them. No prisonner, no pity. Starting with women and children.
But we do not do that… And they do.
We already lost :(
Also… We lose because of multiculturalism… Hence that stupid retarded british way.
French ” integration” produced citizens who submitted to the law.
British multiculturalism produces terrorists.
The western world died at waterloo, we are just living the agony.
Gj and thx for destroying our civilisation to make money….
India is a fake country of low IQ trash with no social cohesion. Even Islam is better than India.
And real civilization comes from China and Greece. I respect nothing about India, except that it was once conquered by superior European people. Well twice. Well, three times.
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